Maxloader.nl

[Chain]

Yes, most of you probably don't remember me, except for the veterans here, but I have something to say.
This server is dead. It's dead because of one thing. Mods (Modifications, not the moderators, they are pretty cool. ;D ).
People don't come to us and join anymore because the server is always outdated, and you have to downgrade and have it like that for a month or so.

When I first joined this server, the awesome builder, Wolf, was still here. He was being a douche and therefore banned. In the next map me and my friend Zuggu became the richest in the server, with over 10 stacks of Iron ingots and 1.5 stacks of Diamonds (and a lot more that I'm not going to mention). And everyone knew who we were, we even had the biggest Town in the server. But omg, look at me and Zuggu, WE'RE NOT PLAYING ANYMORE. No one is playing anymore, some barely play. I understand some have work to do, but before when I was still playing, people were actually PLAYING and having fun. It was a good time, and I enjoyed it a lot.

Now that fun is over, because no one is playing anymore because of the server being outdated... because of Bukkit.
People that are reading this, remember the time when all these people, Sooneey, Maxloader, Scope Ion, Zuggu and many many more were playing? We had good laughs, and everyone had this "rope" between each other that kept us together. The server's mods broke that rope.

I ask Maxloader, the owner of the server, to find some other Mod that would make this rope whole again.

Thank you for reading,

your old friend, Knuckle

[Maxloader]

Chain,

You are totally right!
Though i check the forums daily (this one) and the bukkit.org newsfeed, i don't really feel like playing.
I HAVE played on my friend's vanilla server though, and this was wonderful.

I wondered alot of times if i should start a second minecraft server that is completely vanilla or turn this one into vanilla completely.

The downside is that there will be no anti-grief whatsoever on a vanilla server other than complete server-wide rollbacks.

If anyone knows of a good solution to this problem tell me! i am open to everything.
The solution does not have to be completely free, i am willing to pay for some licenses if necessary.

Or i could just close down whitelisting and go vanilla, as alot of players are on the whitelist already (whitelists are supported by minecraft itself)
Admins will become ops and moderators normal players (sorry for this but ops have item spawning capabilities)


fucking bukkit

[Chain]

[...] The downside is that there will be no anti-grief whatsoever on a vanilla server other than complete server-wide rollbacks. [...]

Doesn't Big Brother allow you to rollback an area of your choice?
And making a new server just costs more, and the community will split apart.
Which wasn't the intention of my post at all.

A vanilla start sounds very interesting, because that is what it was a couple of years back.
If BB doesn't give you the function to rollback only a certain area, then don't de-op operators, just strip them of their item spawning powers.
But NOTHING can prevent from a griefer being... well a total bastard and not griefing, so the best solution is just Operators doing their jobs.
I'm no programmer or expert on servers, so I can't really suggest any good mods.

[Maxloader]

Wait a minute, big brother was a bukkit addon?
Also, it is discontinued.... RIGHT? cuz if this supports vanilla minecraft i will ditch bukkit TONIGHT

[Ace2910]

Well I DO have ace.maxloader.nl as an alternative for fast updating (it's up 24/7 unless something goes wrong), if you want to premote that more, but the map won't be the same... Though I won't be afraid to use bukkitdev so it may corrupt, but I do have a plugin called WorldSaver to back up the worlds every 6 hours or so.

Just saying, vanilla is boring, this will mean that events(especially sooneey's) will take longer to make, and won't be as spectacular. It'll mean we won't have vaults to hide our precious items in.




Oh!
I forgot about bukkit's merger with mojang. I don't know if this would solve the problem, but just keep that in mind.

[Maxloader]

yes, if bukkit merges with minecraft itself it will be awesome, however this eliminates only one of the dependencies (still have to wait for the mods to update)

[Maxloader]

ah and remember, vanilla also means no dynamic map.

[scope_ion]

lol, I still play, but I fully agree, it's boring to play MULTIPLAYER without players. It would update quicker without mods, I agree. And since many have left, we'll have to make a new post on the forums. Simply my signature on the forums, and possibly other advertisement that's pretty small won't help. Vanilla does have the basic "mods" though, yet would it would be op/no-op.

So this could be good or bad. For one, you would want more ops if this is gonna be vanilla Max, there are only 5 or so admins, most of which aren't on throughout the day (from what I know). As always, griefers will be griefers. But Whitelist is supported by MC (you said?), so it won't be a huge problem. If anyone knows coding here, I think what would be best is a simple ranking system. Most mods we have aren't completely necessary, like /vanish. Logblock is helpful, and so is WorldGuard, but I think we can trust most players on the server.

If there is a vote, I'll go vanilla. It takes way too long for mods to update. How about the Halloween update? We lost so many players that time, and I don't want it to happen again. If we do go vanilla, there also should be a fresh map. So, I say vanilla. It outweighs the helpfullness of mods.

[Chain]

lol, I still play, but I fully agree, it's boring to play MULTIPLAYER without players. It would update quicker without mods, I agree. And since many have left, we'll have to make a new post on the forums. Simply my signature on the forums, and possibly other advertisement that's pretty small won't help. Vanilla does have the basic "mods" though, yet would it would be op/no-op.

So this could be good or bad. For one, you would want more ops if this is gonna be vanilla Max, there are only 5 or so admins, most of which aren't on throughout the day (from what I know). As always, griefers will be griefers. But Whitelist is supported by MC (you said?), so it won't be a huge problem. If anyone knows coding here, I think what would be best is a simple ranking system. Most mods we have aren't completely necessary, like /vanish. Logblock is helpful, and so is WorldGuard, but I think we can trust most players on the server.

If there is a vote, I'll go vanilla. It takes way too long for mods to update. How about the Halloween update? We lost so many players that time, and I don't want it to happen again. If we do go vanilla, there also should be a fresh map. So, I say vanilla. It outweighs the helpfullness of mods.

Well said, Scope!
I'm actually quite happy people didn't just say "piss off" and instead do something about it.

[scope_ion]

lol, I still play, but I fully agree, it's boring to play MULTIPLAYER without players. It would update quicker without mods, I agree. And since many have left, we'll have to make a new post on the forums. Simply my signature on the forums, and possibly other advertisement that's pretty small won't help. Vanilla does have the basic "mods" though, yet would it would be op/no-op.

So this could be good or bad. For one, you would want more ops if this is gonna be vanilla Max, there are only 5 or so admins, most of which aren't on throughout the day (from what I know). As always, griefers will be griefers. But Whitelist is supported by MC (you said?), so it won't be a huge problem. If anyone knows coding here, I think what would be best is a simple ranking system. Most mods we have aren't completely necessary, like /vanish. Logblock is helpful, and so is WorldGuard, but I think we can trust most players on the server.

If there is a vote, I'll go vanilla. It takes way too long for mods to update. How about the Halloween update? We lost so many players that time, and I don't want it to happen again. If we do go vanilla, there also should be a fresh map. So, I say vanilla. It outweighs the helpfullness of mods.

Well said, Scope!
I'm actually quite happy people didn't just say "piss off" and instead do something about it.

That took some time. I should have been making my Long Composition for homework, but I made one for this. More important, eh?

[Sooneey]

Agreed. I have been trying to log in to keep an eye on things but I barely get any free time now personally.

People have changed from September 2010 and this game has changed so much.

I think vanilla idea is great idea, however whitelist and some sort of bigbrother is essential... I mean we can do a test without but I know temptation will get the best of a few players and will steal/grief.

EDIT: Vanish has helped me ban about 2/3 of griefers, I wouldn't say it is 100% needed but it helps me save time.

[Chain]

Agreed. I have been trying to log in to keep an eye on things but I barely get any free time now personally.

People have changed from September 2010 and this game has changed so much.

I think vanilla idea is great idea, however whitelist and some sort of bigbrother is essential... I mean we can do a test without but I know temptation will get the best of a few players and will steal/grief.

EDIT: Vanish has helped me ban about 2/3 of griefers, I wouldn't say it is 100% needed but it helps me save time.

One thing I do know is that veterans of the server don't do that. New players just should get a warning, and in what way does vanilla minecraft make you temped to grief?

[Ace2910]

Ok how about this: everyone who wants to, make a plan or something on what you think would be best for the server, and how it would be done. We all vote on what we think is best by putting all of the ideas in to a poll.

Like the sound of that?

[Chain]

Ok how about this: everyone who wants to, make a plan or something on what you think would be best for the server, and how it would be done. We all vote on what we think is best by putting all of the ideas in to a poll.

Like the sound of that?

Alrighty then.

My suggestions:

Advertisments, Vanilla (mostly, need some anti-griefing mods), maybe a promotion on Youtube?

[scope_ion]

Ok how about this: everyone who wants to, make a plan or something on what you think would be best for the server, and how it would be done. We all vote on what we think is best by putting all of the ideas in to a poll.

Like the sound of that?

Sure.

-First of all- new map, get rid of mods.
-If vanish/logblock (or something like them) is updated, feel free to add them.
-QUICK UPDATES
-New Post on MC forums, or something like that. Need more players.
*If someone is a griefer, they will read through the forum post, and most are too lazy to go to another site, sign up, and whitelist. Right?
-Add more OPs if possible, so there will be more safety. Only 5 or so admins ATM.

That's my ideas for now.

[wlollpop]

how about HARDCORE PVP

maybe a promotion on Youtube?

i'm working on it, but this might change eVERYTHING so i might have to remake it, thats not a problem though

[Chain]

Oh, btw, for promoting the server I've got a good recording software and a channel which I can use to post out videos of us just fooling around. Like maybe a speed build of the spawn as an example?

[scope_ion]

Oh, btw, for promoting the server I've got a good recording software and a channel which I can use to post out videos of us just fooling around. Like maybe a speed build of the spawn as an example?

Sounds cool. I'd help with that. But- getting it popular is the question.

Hardcore PvP? (You weren't serious, right ._.)

[Chain]

Oh, btw, for promoting the server I've got a good recording software and a channel which I can use to post out videos of us just fooling around. Like maybe a speed build of the spawn as an example?

Sounds cool. I'd help with that. But- getting it popular is the question.

Hardcore PvP? (You weren't serious, right ._.)

It's easy to make a speedbuild in Hardcore PvP, just takes a bit longer than in creative mode.

[wlollpop]

NOT IF WE ARE KILLING EVERYBODY

[wlollpop]

Oh, btw, for promoting the server I've got a good recording software and a channel which I can use to post out videos of us just fooling around. Like maybe a speed build of the spawn as an example?

i m good at editing kind of

[scope_ion]

Oh, btw, for promoting the server I've got a good recording software and a channel which I can use to post out videos of us just fooling around. Like maybe a speed build of the spawn as an example?

i m good at editing kind of

Your amazing at editing.

[Ace2910]

So this is my entire idea:
Inform new players about ace.maxloader.nl, and when minecraft updates, I will update my server to the new version.
It will either use a random map or, if max would allow, the main map. After max is ready to update, I will give the main map to him and he can use that on the updated server.

Problem is that if anyone tries to build in a protected area, there'll be nothing to hold them back.
Unless I use bukkitdev.

[Maxloader]

About the advertising, i got this voucher from google adwords the other day. its worth €75,- valid till march 31st so i could use that to put a banner on somewhere.

[scope_ion]

I posted a topic in the forums, because if there will be new people, we need their opinions.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/109 ... ed-server/

[Maxloader]

So i did a check today to see if there where versions of the mods for the beta build of craftbukkit for 1.2
There were (except for worldedit and worldguard)
Question is now, should i update everything (alot of work as always) or are we going vanilla?

[Ace2910]

Go for it, the old version of WorldEdit also seems to work with the increased height limit.

[Gazoid]

Damn you world guard!

Those are the two mods I use the most, and I think benefit spawn

[Chain]

I have a question. Since we are going to be doing stuff on a new map, are we going to build a small spawn house first and then release it to the public?

[sam-the-man]

I remember my first day on the server. do you know who the first people I met were? You and Zuggu! you were building atlantis next to maxloaders tower and you helped me build a house. I would absolutely LOVE those days to come back, so therfore, i am totally in favour of evrything you just said! Thanks for posting this, the server's been a ghost town since like 1.7. Thanks knuckle -your old friend -donwhittam